blad 39 i 12

[stiker]

Witam
pisze w imieniu znajomych kilka dni temu przelaczyla im sie nagle skrzynia w chryslerze le baronie 3.0 A604 w tryb awaryjny (tylko 2 bieg) przy zmianie na z N i P na R lub D jest szarpniecie wczeniej bylo idealnie pojechali i szczytali kody bledow jest kod 39 i 12 tak przy najmniej im powiedzial ten kto podpinal sie pod auto kod nr 12 znalazlem ale kod 39 ?? nie moge nigdzie takiego znalezc. Olej czysty midlannd (6tyskm temu zmieniany) poziom tez ok ,zadnych wyciekow Bardzo prosze o jakies wzkazowki gdzie szukac przyczyn awarii znajomi jada na wakacje i sa zalamani bo nie maja czym

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The Chrysler A604 transaxle is a fully
computerized 4 speed Automatic Transaxle
introduced in the 1989 model year. The
computer is constantly monitoring critical
input and output circuits relating to the
control of the transaxle. Some circuits are
tested continousouly while others are
checked only during normal driving
conditions.
If the transmission controller senses a
problem in the system a fault code will be
triggered and stored in memory. These
codes will stay in memory until either a
technician clears them or they are
displaced by newer codes being stored.
Codes that will cause the transmission
to go into limp in mode.
11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 20, 21, 22, 23,
24, 25, 26, 27, 31, 32, 33, 39, 41, 42, 43,
44
The following codes will not cause
the transaxle to go into limp in mode.
12, 19, 28, 29, 37, 38, 45, 46
The only way the codes can be pulled from
the computer is with the DRBII scan tool.
If you have a shop that is nice enough to
give you a printout of the codes, a friend
with a scanner, or access to one you can
decipher these codes below for a better
understanding as to what may be going on.
Code 11 - Watchdog Circuit Test (see
below for sub codes)
13 - Watchdog circuit failure
16 - ROM check failure
17 - RAM check failure
45 - Memory
Note: Each one of these codes is a
specific test before start up for the
controller. When the controller fails
the test or doesn't match up to known
information these codes are set. Each of
the codes calls for replacement
of the controller when they are set. These
are not commonly seen codes.
Code 12 - Battery was disconnected
Note: This code is provided, as reference
information to tell you that battery voltage
was lost to the
controller.
Code 14 - ETAX relay always on.
Note: The controller shut down voltage to
the etax relay. When it checked pins 16
and 17 on the controller
(to see if the points opened in relay) it saw
more than 3 volts present.
Diagnostic Tip
To check for welded points switch the etax
relay with the back up light rely.
Relay Locations
On controller body
Passengers side fender well
Driver's side fuse box
Other Causes
Short to ground in SA1 circuit
Open in SA1 circuit between relay and ground
Open in SF1 circuit between relay and
ground
Open in J91 circuit from relay to ground
Open in J11 circuit from relay to splice
60 pin connector problem (pins 15,16,17)
Bad controller
Code 15 - ETAX relay always off
Note: Controller commanded etax relay
to energize (provide voltage to solenoid
block). When it checked
pins 16 and 17 for 12 volts it saw less then
3 volts present.
Diagnostic Tip
To check for welded points switch the etax
relay with the back up light rely.
Relay Locations
On controller body
Passengers side fender well
Driver's side fuse box
Other Causes
Short to ground in SA1 circuit
Open in SA1 circuit between relay and
ground
Open in SF1 circuit between relay and
ground
Open in J91 circuit from relay to ground
Open in J11 circuit from relay to splice
60 pin connector problem (pins 15,16,17)
Bad controller
Code 18 - Engine speed signal circuit
Note: Transmission controller is not
receiving information it needs from the
engine controller.
Diagnostic Tip
Check to see if the wrong computer is
installed on the vehicle.
Other Causes
Open or short in N7 circuit - distributor
pick up signal
Bad sensor in distributor
60 pin connector problem (pin 45)
Code 19 - CD2 bus communication
Note: Transmission controller is not
receiving information it needs from the
engine controller.
Diagnostic Tip
Check for opens or shorts between
Pin 46 (engine controller) and pin 4
(transmission controller)
Pin 26 (engine controller) and 43
(transmission controller)
Other Causes
Bad engine controller
Bad transmission controller
Code 20 - Switched battery
Note: When the controller checked pins
16 and 17 it saw less then 3 volts (this
confirms that the etax relay
is open). However, when it checked the
solenoid pack pressure switches it saw
voltage. This sets code 20.
This is not a common code.
Other Causes
Bad etax relay (welded points) with a open
SF1 circuit between controller and splice
Intermittent short to battery on SF1 circuit
Bad relay with an intermittent problem
Bad controller
Code 21 to 27 - Pressure switch circuits
21 - OD
22 - 2/4
23 - 2/4 and OD

24 - L/R
25 - L/R AND OD
26 - L/R AND 2/4
27 - All Pressure Switches
Note: When the controller checked the
status of the pressure switches they were
either opened or closed at
the wrong time.
Causes
1. - If you rebuilt or installed a rebuilt
solenoid block with new switch rubbers
chances are the rubber
seals are too big setting these codes. To
confirm this install a used solenoid block
(not rebuilt). If the
vehicle now works the seals were the
problem.
2. - The 2nd most common cause of these
codes is loose fitting female connector pins
in the solenoid
harness.
Here's How To Check Them
A. - Get a # 43 / .089'' drill bit
B. - Insert drill bit into each of the female
pins. Drill bit must have some drag when
installed and
removed.
Here's How To Fix Them
A. - Insert # 43 drill bit into female pin. B.
- Use a very small needle nose or
screwdriver and
squeeze the pin down against the drill bit.
C. - Test for drag.
3. - The 3rd most common problem is
opens or shorts.
Here's How To Check For Them
A. - Unplug solenoid 8 pin connector and
controller 60 pin connector.
B. - Use an ohm meter to check between
these wires for opens or shorts.
Solenoid pin 2 to controller pin 50
(Low/Rev)
Solenoid pin 1 to controller pin 57 (2/4)
Solenoid pin 1 to controller pin 9 (OD)
Note: If none of the wires checked are
opened or shorted then the controller is
bad. This is very
uncommon.
Code 28 - Check PRNDL signal
Note: When the controller checked the
status of the PRNDL or NSS switch they
were either opened or
closed at the wrong time.
1. Check for loose fitting pins on
PRNDL/NSS switches or PRNDL/NSS
connector end
2. Check for opens or shorts in wires
between PRNDL/NSS and controller.
3. Install new PRNDL/NSS switches one at
a time
Code 29 - TPS signal
Note: Transmission controller sees TPS
out of range or intermittent signal
Diagnostic Tip
Try clearing code from transmission
controller. Here's why. If TPS was
replaced at a general repair
shop they might only have cleared the code
in the engine controller. If you cleared the
code and it came back ,
then hook the scanner up to the engine
diagnostic connector ( in engine
compartment ) and see if it shows code 29.
Yes = bad TPS
No = open or short in wiring between
engine and transmission controllers.
Code 31 to 33 Pressure switch problem
31 - OD
32 - 2/4
33 - OD and 2/4
Note: These codes are similar to codes 21
to 27 in that the controller has seen the
pressure switches
opened or closed at the wrong time. The
difference is codes 31 to 33 indicate
solenoid block or
internal transmission problems only - no
electrical problems.
Diagnostic Tip
If you rebuilt or installed a rebuilt solenoid
block with new switch rubbers chances are
the rubber
seals are too big setting these codes. To
confirm this install a used solenoid block
(not rebuilt If the
vehicle now works the seals were the
problem
Can be worn out accumulator bores (loss
of oil pressure to switches) or warped
lower channel
casting in valve body causing switches to
apply at wrong time.
Important
Always check accumulator bores for wear
and flat sand/stone valve body to prevent
these problem codes.
Code 36 - Fault immediately after shift
Super Important
ANYTIME this code appears with any of
the 50 series codes it tells you there is NO
electrical
problem! That means, there is a hydraulic
or mechanical problem inside the
transmission.
Broken UD/OD snap ring
Burnt out OD clutch pack
Gear train failure
Code 37 - Solenoid switch valve stuck
(stuck in L/U position)
Note: The controller sees the SSV stuck
in the L/U position in the valve body.
Diagnostic Tip
This code is usually only seen after
overhaul. The condition you will get is no
1st after a upshift.
Vehicle will take off in 2nd gear and
upshift. Do not confuse this with fail-safe
(2nd and reverse only).
There are only 2 things that that will cause
this valve to stick.
1. - Over tightening valve body (impact
wrench)
2. - Dirt or debris causing restricted cooler
(cooler not flushed)
Code 38 Lockup control
Note: When controller called for lockup it
saw a slip or no lockup at all.
Diagnostic Tip
This code is usually set after a overhaul
and has 3 possible causes
1. - Pump Wear - Any amount of wear in
the pump pocket between suction and
discharge will cause
low pressures to the lockup apply surface
of the converter clutch.
2. - Torque Converter - A poor quality
rebuilt will cause slippage of the converter
clutch.
3. - Solenoid switch valve stuck in L/R
position in the valve body causing no
lockup.
The problem is most often the pump. Next
is the torque converter. Last is the SSV
valve stuck in the
valve body.
Important
Most shops when they encounter code 38
replace both the pump and the torque
converter
at the same time to avoid a 3rd R and R.
Code 39 - Gear ratio error (1989 and 1990
only)
Note: This code says the controller is
seeing a slip.
Diagnostic Tip
If the code is intermittent chances are you
have a bad connection at the input or
output speed sensors
caused by loose fitting female pins in the
wiring ends. Do not attempt to resize the
female ends in the
connector. Replace the wiring ends with
Chrysler kit part # 4419478.
Input or output sensors can set code 39
(but, usually don't). If you want to verify if
the sensors are
setting the code then change them one at a
time, clear the code and test drive.
If code 39 is not intermittent (and goes to
limp in mode at the same mph every time -
slipping clutch)
it is a internal transmission problem with 2
possibilities.
Before overhaul - broken OD pressure
plate tapered snap ring or burned OD
clutches in input drum.
After overhaul - misassemble of input
drum (OD frictions/snap rings/seals).
Code 41 to 44 - Solenoid circuit error
41- L/R
42- 2/4
43 - OD
44 - UD
Note: The controller has seen an electrical
problem when it tested the solenoid circuit.
Diagnostic Tip
These codes are usually set by:
Opens or shorts in wiring between solenoid
pack and controller.
Solenoid or controller connections
Bad controller
Solenoid pack
Code 46 3-4 shift abort
Note: The controller saw too long of a
input speed change on the 3-4 upshift.
Diagnostic Tip
When this happens the vehicle will usually
try to make the 3 - 4 shift but go right back
to 3rd. It feels
like it's going in and out 3 -4 / 4 -3 / 3 -4 /
4 - 3. There are 2 causes.
Before overhaul - broken OD pressure
plate snap ring or burned OD friction.
After overhaul - misassembled input drum
/OD clutch/snap rings/ seals.
Code 47 - Solenoid switch valve (stuck in
Low/Rev position)
Note: The computer sees the SSV stuck
in the downshifted position.
Diagnostic Tip
This code is usually seen after overhaul
tightening VB with an impact or dirt from
cooler not being flushed.
Code 50 to 55 - Speed error
50 - Speed error in Reverse
51 - Speed error in 1st
52 - Speed error in 2nd
53 - Speed error in 3rd
54 - Speed error in 4th
55 - Speed error in Neutral 9 (for future
use)
Note: When these codes set the controller
has either seen the wrong gear ratio for a
particular gear or an
excessive change in turbine or output shaft
speeds.
Super Important
If code 36 is present (fault immediately
after shift) with one of these 50 series
codes there is a internal
transmission problem!
UD/OD snap ring broken
OD clutch pack burnt up
Gear train failure
etc.
Code 56 - Turbine speed sensor error
Code 57 - Output speed sensor error
Note: Controller has seen an excessive
change in turbine or output rpm in any
gear.
Diagnostic Tip
If the code is intermittent chances are you
have a bad connection at the input or
output speed sensors caused by
loose fitting female pins in the wiring ends.
Do not attempt to resize the female ends in
the connector. Replace the
wiring ends with Chrysler kit part #
4419478. Input or output sensors can set
code 39 (but, usually don't). If you want to
verify if the sensors are setting the code
then change them one at a time, clear the
code and test drive.
Code 60 to 63 - Inadequate clutch
volume index - CVI's (1990 and up)
60 - L/R
61 - 2/4
62 - OD
63 - UD
Note: The controller has seen too low or
too high of a CVI to apply a clutch. CVI is
the amount of time it
takes for a clutch to go to 0 clearance
measured in CC's
Diagnostic Tip
CVI codes can be set by any of the
following
Broken OD pressure plate tapered snap
ring
Clutch packs misassembled or set too tight
Misassembled accumulators
Worn accumulator bores
Leaking accumulator seals
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Plymouth Grand Voyager 1989r 3,0L żółte blachy ,
Dodge Grand Caravan 3,3L + lpg 1990r z bordową tapicerka
Chrysler Town&Country 1994r 3,8L + lpg
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[benchi]

Krótko, zwięźle i na temat
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[stiker]

bardzo dziękuje za szybką i dokładną odpowiedź ,o ile mój słaby angielski pozwala mi zrozumieć bład 39 jeżeli występuje ciągle to jest to usterka poważna jeżeli ktoś ma jakiś pomysł co jeszcze można sprawdzić tzn okablowanie jest posprawdzane żadnych innych problemow w stylu nie dzaialający np prędkościomierz nie ma, może jeszcze warto sprawdzić np jakiś czujnik ?,awaria wystąpiła nagle auto rusza z jedynki lekko go szarpie wkłada bieg drugi i juz cały czas na nim pozostaje aha błąd skrzyni na desce się nie zapala. Może ktoś wie o jakimś dobrym warsztacie w okolicach Czeladzi ,Sosnowca gdzie nie ma dlugich kolejek a ceny są w normie

[qazws]

na początek sprawdź wtyczki od tych sensorów
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Plymouth Grand Voyager 1989r 3,0L żółte blachy ,
Dodge Grand Caravan 3,3L + lpg 1990r z bordową tapicerka
Chrysler Town&Country 1994r 3,8L + lpg
www.czyszczeniedywanow.net

[stiker]

na początek znalazłem jeden czujnik przy pół osi z tego co wyczytałem i zrozumiałem to ten właśnie może być odpowiedzialny za błąd 39 oraz dwa od przodu auta żadnego więcej a może o jakimś zapomniałem ?!

[torped]

A powiedz, czy po zgaszeniu silnika i ponownym uruchomieniu chociaz przez krotka chwile jest dobrze, czy skrzynia caly czas pozostaje w trybie awaryjnym?
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Chrysler Grand Voyager
3,3 V6 LE 96`
I`m a mad Taxi Driver

[Anthrax]

Masz po prostu awarie na którymś czujniku prędkości w skrzyni - są dwa wejściowy i wyjściowy - oba z przodu skrzyni
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GMC Vandura 5,7
BMW '03 320 touring - diesel ale w automacie
nowy tel. 793681033

[torped]

Ja bym jeszcze sie zastanowil nad SolenoidPack, mialem bardzo podobne objawy i do wymiany poszedl wlasnie SolenoidPack
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Chrysler Grand Voyager
3,3 V6 LE 96`
I`m a mad Taxi Driver

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